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Garbage: The Revolution Starts at Home!

The compelling documentary, Garbage: The Revolution Starts At Home, will be shown for free on April 16th,  7 pm at the Barre Opera House. In addition, the Greenpeace’s Rolling Sunlight solar demonstration truck will be in Barre throughout the day on the 16th.

What if you had to live with every scrap of trash, pollution, and waste you created? Would you find uses for the garbage of your life, or be overwhelmed by it? Find out how one family lived with every scrap of garbage they created for three months, at a special FREE screening of “Garbage! The Revolution Starts at Home,” presented by Central Vermont Solid Waste Management District, the Agency of Natural Resources, and Community for a Greater Barre. This powerful documentary skillfully and succinctly puts all the information in one place – from melting glaciers and oil slicks to our neighborhoods and into our homes – so anyone can connect the dots between our daily actions and the reactions that affect us and our planet.

The event will also feature a visit from the Greenpeace’s Rolling Sunlight solar demonstration truck. The Sunlight carries a bank of working solar panels that will power an educational activity for area school kids following an early matinee showing of the film and will store the extra power in batteries to power coffee makers and other appliances to serve refreshments for evening showing attendees.

The Sunlight will be touring Vermont all April as part of Greenpeace’s local work to support the development of renewable energy in Vermont, and the on-time closure of the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Plant in 2012.

Bill Would Fuel Energy Savings, Renewables

By DANIEL BARLOW Vermont Press Bureau – Published in the Times Argus on February 18, 2009
MONTPELIER – If it works in Berkeley, it may work in Vermont. Senate lawmakers debated a bill Tuesday that would allow municipal governments to borrow money to help property owners pay for efficiency or renewable energy projects – with that money paid back over time through a new local tax.

Modeled after a new state law in California, this bill is aimed at making renewable energy and efficiency projects more affordable for property owners worried about the up-front costs of making major changes to their buildings.

If passed into law, Vermont towns and cities could take out bonds for projects, such as installing solar panels on top of buildings or simply weatherizing a home. Property owners who participate in the program would pay off the money through a special assessment on their tax bills.

James Moore, the clean energy advocate for the Vermont Public Interest Research Group, told lawmakers Tuesday that the city of Berkeley recently raised $1 million for its effort and the program has exceeded expectations.

“Demand was tremendous,” Moore said. “We think it will be here too.”

At least 60 Vermont cities and towns have energy committees set up that could facilitate this proposed program on the local level, according to Karen Horn, the director of public policy and advocacy for the Vermont League of Cities and Towns.

“This is an amazing tool,” Horn said. “This will help us take energy efficiency to the next level.”

The high upfront costs and the long delay for a financial payback are barriers for many property owners when it comes to renewable and efficiency projects, said George Twigg, the deputy policy director at Efficiency Vermont.

Efficiency projects in homes can cost upward of $10,000, making it less likely for a property owner to make those investments if they are considering moving or selling the property within the next several years.

If a property owner entered into an agreement with a participating town or city for one of these projects, the municipality would have a lien on the property for that amount until the debt is paid off, perhaps as long as 10-20 years, he explained.

And under this program, if the owner sold the property, the lien and the special tax assessment would remain on that property.

“This is removing a financial barrier that has stopped property owners from making these investments,” Twigg said.

If signed into law, residents of each Vermont city and town would vote whether the municipality should participate in the program. The bill also allows for smaller towns to join together in a compact to get better bond deals for larger pools of projects.

Sen. Robert Hartwell, D-Bennington, a member of the Senate Natural Resources and Energy Committee and one of two main sponsors of the bill, stressed Tuesday that all property owners in participating towns and cities would not be paying the additional fee on their tax bills – only the ones who have projects funded by the municipality.

A committee vote on the bill is not yet scheduled.

Read March National Geo and Get Others to Do the Same

If I were King I would certainly give Chris Johns Editor-in-Chief at National Geographic Magazine an award for bravery and vision.  Over the past few years he and his staff have put together some of the most cutting edge and insightful articles on climate change, peak oil, and the energy crisis and now in the March 2009 issue they have hit the nail smack on the head again with the article Saving Energy: It Starts at Home.  (The article on Canadian oil sands is not bad either.)

In my book Chris and his editorial team are heroes and leaders.  And now we (all of us) have to honor their efforts and get people to read this article and then live the vision they lay out.  Let’s get to it we’ve a lot of work to do.  Check it out below:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/03/energy-conservation/miller-text

Vision for the Future

One item explored in the Transition Handbook, and discussed at the Valley’s Transition Handbook Potluck Dinners/Reading Group, is the creation of a well defined vision of the future. The Valley has a long history of forward thinking visions, ranging from the Valley-wide Vision 20/20 project (foundation of VFN) to each of the towns’ municipal plans to the VFN Retreats vision exercise. I have always been fascinated by exciting methods that communities utilize to share their goals. Well, hats off Pennsilvania’s Kutztown Middle School students for their imagined and engineered vision of a town in year 2203. The fictional city of Vetniborg, Iceland won the Kutstown team first place in the Philadelphia Regional Future City Competion, qualifying them for next week’s national event in Washington, DC. The well thought out essay of their envisioned city, developed to revitalize Iceland’s economy on sustainable design principles following its financial collapse in 2008, is available here: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/02/10/vetniborg-essay/.

Valley Moves Meeting Minutes   January 8, 2009, Wait House, 6pm
Present:  Sue Frechette, Stan Ward, Liz Weller, Bobbi Rood, James Foreman, Erin Russell Story, Dave Cain, Joshua Schwartz, Laura Brines, Brian Fleischer
Agenda:
Working Group Reports:
*  Shared Transportation: James Foreman and Erin Russell Story, Co-Chairs
The State “Go VT” organization has had a staffing shake up, their website will not be up & running until March ’09 (many months later than expected);  James is developing a website, Madriverforum.com, which he hopes to introduce at the “Hopeful Inauguration” celebration for feedback.  One of the features of this forum will be that folks can post info re. carpooling or vanpooling  possibilities…
James will submit an article about the new website, etc. to the VR in February.

*   Valley Walk and Roll Festival- Dave Cain, Chair
The Festival will be May 11-15, which coincides with the National Bike to Work Week; The State “Way to Go” week, which encourages businesses to support alternative transportation ideas will be, May 5-8.  Dave has been in touch with Steve Gladzuck, of “Way to Go”, and some joint PR will take place.
The Festival will be the same as last year’s, with some new ideas under consideration:
•    A Bike Clinic-  folks would learn how to maintain their bikes by working on the fleet of Mad Bikes (helping the Mad Bikes get serviced while learning new skills)
•    A bike swap (similar to the Ski & Skate Sale)
•    A Women’s Bike Clinic, sponsored by Sugarbush
•    A raffle for a new bike  (fundraiser for the Mad Bikes)
•    2-3 hour bike education courses
•    Other?
Next meeting of the Valley Walk & Roll Festival Working Group:  Feb. 2, 7:30 a.m. at the Three Mtn. Café.  All are welcome!

*  Mad Bikes of Waitsfield- a Town of Waitsfield Committee:  Bobbi Rood, Laura Brines, Liz Weller, Kari Dolan, Peter Lazorchak, Sue Frechette and Troy Kingsbury
The fleet of bikes and all the new bike racks are being stored in James Foreman’s barn;  Laura will write a report for the Waitsfield Town Report;  Hopefully some of the bikes will be worked on by Steve Skilton’s shop class at Harwood Union High School over the winter (Troy will contact Steve);  $2000 grant was received to support this project by the Mad River Valley Rec District.

2.  Valley Moves structure
Working Group Chair functions:  Each working group of Valley Moves has a Chair or Co-Chair.  The Chair(s) will keep in touch via email, and call meetings when needed.  Info regarding these meetings will be posted on the VFN website, via email to the list, and on the new Madriverforum.com
If anyone has a new idea for transportation related project, either share it at the monthly VFN meetings, the quarterly Valley Moves meetings, or communicate via email to create a new working group.

Set 2009 quarterly meeting dates for Valley Moves:
Acting Chairs will: publicize the meeting, create an agenda, take minutes,
bring snacks ☺, etc.
April 9:  Dave, acting Chair
July 9:  Erin, acting Chair
October 8:  Bobbi, acting Chair

VFN Monthly meeting attendance:  we decided not to structure this, 1 or more Valley Moves members will try to attend monthly.

3.  Other ideas:
*  Wind Powered  Electric Cars /Batteries – Dave Sellers:  Bobbi described Dave’s exciting       idea!
•     Brian Fleischer told us about a petition to get businesses in the Ag District (Am. Flatbread, for ex.) to have more flexible zoning possibilities.
•    MRPA survey-  Laura encouraged everyone to do the survey.  The MRPA is in the midst of Strategic Planning.
•    Central VT Rec Trail Group:  Joshua talked about this new initiative, they are working on developing a Central VT Trail Website, similar to Localmotion’s (Burl.)  Hopefully the MRPA will collaborate with this initiative.

The Carbon-Free Home

Now that we have celebrated, it is time to get to work (great time at the Big Picture last night).  Time for us to remember that as Americans we have been and are extremely capable of greatness.  So let’s be great once again and take actions that will enrich us.  First on that checklist is doing something about our carbon footprints.  And a great tool to help folks get started is a fairly new book called The Carbon-Free Home: 36 Remodeling Projects to Help Kick the Fossil-Fuel Habit by Stephen and Rebekah Hren. 

 

This is a great book written by folks who understand the causes of global climate change and live full and happy lives in part because they embrace a shared goal of reducing their impact on the Earth.  The book is well-written and realistically presented.  It is a great read and tremendous reference and also acknowledges and deals with the fact that not all of us are homeowners and has suggestions for renters as well.  Buy the book or get your librarian to order it and then start shredding carbon!

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1933392622/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=2931884517&ref=pd_sl_5cvs4apuo_e

Consummer Alert on Hydro-4000

Sorry Fellow Valley Futurers for the long post but this is annoying.

There should be a Special Place in Hell for Multi-Level Marketers and Those Who Falsely Paint Themselves Green

 

By Bob Ferris

 

It is a sad fact of life that charlatans prey on those that need to believe most and are least able to protect themselves.  In times past it was the unwashed and rural, but on today’s landscape it is those who turn an open eye and unprepared brain to infomercials and the most bold of the internet advertisers.  So our economically and intellectually challenged are further burdened by ozone air cleaners that pollute more than they clean, atmospheric water generators that are nothing more than repackaged dehumidifiers, and now in the shadow of high priced gas and diesel a veritable plethora of HHO generators and Brown’s gas boondoggles.

 

While all of them make my blood boil a little, I suspect the later water for gas schemes insult my scientific sensibilities the most.  Perhaps it is because I finally realize why every child should take physics and higher math.  And that reason manifests itself best in the $1200 Hydro-4000 electrolysis machine marketed by some geniuses in Jupiter, Florida calling themselves Green Machine Solutions (http://www.hydro4000.com/aboutus.htm).  Green Machine is a business unit of Diversified Energy Group (http://www.degoil.com) which is a company run by David Havanich Jr. and Carmine Dellasala Jr. who seem to launch and then abandon businesses as a hobby (check out their various listings in http://www.sunbiz.org/corioff.html).   

 

This machine justifies its significant price tag by claiming that the hydrogen gas captured as a result of excess energy produced by your underworked car alternator will displace 20-60% of your gasoline or diesel.  Spectacular!  I want one.  But is this possible?  The answer is: a resounding No. 

 

What we are talking about here is a device that takes distilled water and passes electricity through it to break it into its constituent parts—hydrogen and oxygen—through a process known as hydrolysis.  (Is this ringing a bell from high school chemistry or biology?)  This is wonderful and logical as far as we have gone.  Hydrogen is a zippy fuel with more power per pound than gasoline or diesel.  But here is where it gets tricky and to keep this easier we are going to convert everything to British Thermal Units (BTUs). 

 

So let’s start with the alternator.  Car alternators generally operate in the range of 14 or so volts and 50 amperes or amps.  These simple units when multiplied give you watts; in this case 700 watts in an hour’s time.  Since one watt yields 3.41 BTUs each hour our little alternator is producing the equivalent of 2387 BTUs.  While all of this is not really available to make hydrogen because the alternator is also charging the battery, providing juice to the sparkplugs or glow plugs, and generally running all the fans, lights, and the radio for your car—we will be generous and assume that all of it is available to the whiz-bang Hydro-4000.

 

Hydrolysis is not 100% efficient and we see conversions efficiencies—electricity into hydrogen power—of between 40 to 60%.  But since the Jupiter folks say their unit beats everyone and has efficiencies in the 80-94% range, we again will give them the benefit of the doubt.  So the potential energy drawn off the now-gainfully employed alternator in the form of hydrogen represents 80% of 2387 BTUs or 1910 BTUs.  Pretty darn good.  No one says the machine does not produce hydrogen.

 

Now let’s go to the car end of this equation.  Here again for ease of analysis we will go with a simple vehicle and a simple situation: A car that gets 30 miles to the gallon driving 60 miles an hour for 60 minutes.  During this hour our fairly efficient car will burn two gallons of gasoline.  Gasoline contains 125,000 BTUs so the energy budget for this trip is 250,000 BTUs.  So if we are looking to save 20 to 60% of that—as the Sunshine State boys claim—our car would be looking through its fuel resources for 50,000 to 150,000 BTUs to make up the difference.  It gets 1910 from the Hydo-4000, on a good day.

 

Debates about this device are flying around the internet, but has anyone conclusively tested this device and others?  The answer to that is: Yes and no.  There was a TV station in Florida that installed the device on one of their news vans.  They claimed in a broadcast news story that their rig went from getting 9 miles to the gallon to getting 23 miles to the gallon—more than a 200% increase in mileage.  While many in the world were incredulous, sister stations around the country rebroadcast this story and it became gospel.  This story wrote large on the air and on the internet—It Works—while the follow-up story of a retest by an engineering professor and his students that basically greatly scaled down the findings of the first was released with a whimper.  Interesting.

 

One who watched the original broadcast was Sheriff Ken Mascara in St. Lucie, Florida.  So he dug into confiscated drug funds and installed one of the devices on a patrol car and one on a test car owned by an undisclosed person.  Here again, the announcement that they were going to do that test and that taxpayer dollars were not used in the purchase of the devices was aired widely (Note to Ken: Confiscated drug monies are taxpayer dollars).  But when the testing was complete and the sheriff’s department basically said the Hydro-4000 didn’t do anything and might have decreased performance, this news did not hit the TV screen or YouTube, it was covered by a few paragraphs on the St. Lucie Sheriff’s website:

 

http://www.stluciesheriff.com/news_article.php?news_id=143. 

 

Why wasn’t the “news” here about a gullible sheriff who used public funds to buy a fraudulent device for the department and a private party?

 

What did hit YouTube was a video of a straight test of the hydrogen making potential of the device (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBVbKXE7NWE).  This industrious fellow attached the Hydro-4000 to a battery to simulate what would happen in a car.  In his test he ran 11 volts at basically 7 amps and it took him eight minutes to generate one liter of Brown’s gases (hydrogen and oxygen).  Doing the math on this fellow’s experiment indicates that while the battery pumped roughly 35 BTUs into the apparatus, the single liter produced during that time period contained only 9.54 BTUs.  That means that the conversion efficiency of the Hydro-4000 in this experiment was not 80-94% as claimed but rather 27%. 

In spite of the fact that the process cannot physically offset 20-60% of your gas or diesel use and the device does not perform as claimed, this contraption is becoming an internet phenomenon.  Part of this is that dealerships are being sold to the gullible around the continent and each dealer has a website with more and more outlandish claims about this dubious product.  I visited one site from Alaska called Alaskan Green Machines LLC (of course it is an LLC because these folks want to walk away with the money and not get nailed when some regulatory hammer drops).  Here is a quote from the FAQ section (http://www.alaskagreenmachines.com/FAQ’s.htm):

Why buy from Alaska Green Machines?

 

We have the best hydrogen generators available. The GMS HYDRO-4000 contains an all stainless steel apparatus which creates far more hydrogen and oxygen than products that appear to be similar. The output is 2.3 liters per minute of hydrogen at 12v and 7 amps with 0 vacuum. Other units may look like ours, but theirs are just two rods in a plastic container that put a charge through the water, like a kid’s science experiment. They require using distilled water and an electrolyte solution such as lye to create electrolysis. With these products energy in must equal energy out, so they just don’t work! Don’t be fooled into buying a cheaper product. You get what you pay for! The GMS HYDRO -4000 are built to the highest standards.

OK.  Let’s look at this statement.  (I know, again with the math).  Twelve volts at 7amps produces 84 watts.  And since each watt produces 3.41 BTUs, we know that in one hour we are going to get 286.44 BTUs out of the alternator.  Doing the same sort of math for the hydrogen claimed to be produced, we get 138 liters (these are not pressurized so this is lighter than the same volume of air).  Since each liter contains 9.54 BTUs, we are looking at total of 1362.52 BTUs.  So they are telling us not to be fooled and at the same time fooling us by telling us that while everyone else’s hydrolysis machines work at roughly 40-60% percent efficiency, theirs is cranking away at nearly 500%.  Let’s bring on the Nobel Prize folks.

The above said, since we know that gas has about 125,000 BTUs per gallon, their greatly exaggerated generator is only displacing about half an ounce of gasoline per hour of use. This is a far cry from the 20-60% gas savings that they are claiming.   But it is right in line with what we have come to expect from multi-level marketing schemes: pseudo-science to fool the uninitiated and lies stacked upon lies.

As many of us are working tirelessly to solve our environmental and energy issues for little or no pay, I get really steamed when folks inappropriately paint themselves green and try to make big bucks out of the misery of their fellow citizens.  My blood pressure rose so high that I felt like giving these Alaskans a piece of my mind.  So I went to the contact section of their website and found this:

                        Email:  info@alaskagreenmachines.com

Phone:  907.373.5585

Address:  PO Box 872331, Wasilla, AK 99687

 

Perfect.  Although I felt like picking up the phone and screaming “thanks, but no thanks” to these folks, I thought that I’d write this piece instead and make these three points: 

 

Point One:  The fact that these types of devices exist and their purveyors prosper means that we need a better educated populace that will be able to do these simple types of analyses for themselves.  Education is key to our surviving our current crises.  Clearly, millions have been left behind and we need to invest in fixing our education gap.

 

Point Two:  Somewhere, through some agency or entity, we have to do a better job of vetting these devices and warning the public to be wary of these sorts of claims and about the predatory tactics of those who make them.

 

Point Three: We all have to speak up and help those who are most vulnerable to these predatory marketing practices.   Pass this piece around and help others to understand.

 

 Let’s put our efforts and our monies towards legitimate endeavors.  There are certainly plenty out there to choose from!  Shred On my friends (www.carbonshredders.org)

MRV Community Biomass Project

Northeastern States Research Cooperative: Research for the Northern Forest 2008 Grant

Northern Forest Alliance/UVM Community Biomass Project in the Mad River Valley

Project Description: Enhancing the sustainability of community-based biomass production and use for local energy through university-community partnerships

Abstract: With energy costs increasing rapidly, more communities in the Northern Forest are exploring options for producing and using energy from local forest biomass. Yet questions remain about how forest biomass can be produced sustainably under increasing pressures for use and conservation.  This project will use action research in seven to nine communities in Washington and Addison Counties, Vermont to document, develop and enhance the impacts of two models for community-based forest biomass:  a community-supported firewood program for home heating in Addison County and a multi-town effort to achieve energy independence in heating and power generation in the Mad River Valley.  Local sustainability indicators will be developed to assess impacts.  Results will be used to develop biomass models for other communities, as well as support university-community partnerships for more effective adaptive decision-making in the Northern Forest. This is a collaborative project between the University of Vermont (UVM), the Northern Forest Alliance (NFA), and Vermont Family Forests (VFF). The two areas of focus are Addison County and the Mad River Valley. The Addison County effort will be led by VFF and focused on a community-supported firewood program while the MRV’s project will be led by NFA and focus on aspects of the community’s goal of achieving energy independence.

The project goals are to:

1.     Improve understanding and effectiveness of renewable local wood biomass production and conservation.

2.     Develop a model for consensus-based, community identification and implementation of sustainable, local wood biomass projects.   

3.     Create a foundation for improved collaborative learning among universities and forest communities to increase the impact of sustainability initiatives in the Northern Forest.

General MRV Project Summary

NFA will work with UVM faculty and students and Biomass Energy Resource Center (BERC) to implement a three-year action research project to implement and monitor a shared multi-town effort toward achieving energy independence in the four to five towns of the Mad River Valley in Washington County, Vermont.  The project will contribute to the question “how can communities in and near the Northern Forest produce and use local forest biomass to meet their energy needs in ways that are sustainable, efficient and fair?” and be framed within the larger methodological question of “how can universities and communities work together more effectively to share learning and enhance the impacts of sustainability initiatives in the Northern Forest?”

Mad River Valley Community Biomass Project:  Assess to what extent the mad river valley can supply its heating needs from sustainably harvested local wood.

Research Questions

§       Given that it is a stated goal in the MRV to achieve full energy independence – while adhering to and fostering values related to rejuvenation and sustainability — what percentage can sustainably harvested woody biomass reasonably contribute to the overall equation of striving for this energy autonomy?

§       How can our community use significantly more wood energy in ways that are at once sustainable, efficient, local and fair?

§       Help us to answer: What should our community’s energy strategy look like? Rather than simply substituting biomass for fossil fuels, can we figure out how to dramatically reduce our total fuel use and then substitute sustainable, local fuels?

§       Inclusive in the attempt to answer the overarching questions are the specific goals to:

  1. Engage the community in dialogue and exploration of the feasibility of a multi-jurisdictional pellet-making facility, given local forest capacity, potential future demand, community-driven sustainability parameters, etc.
  2. Determine how transportation of material and products affects the effort to heat with local and sustainable wood products, i.e. what is the community tolerance for transportation of wood and wood products into, around, and out of the Valley, and how wide of a radius makes sense to import and potentially export wood biomass and/or products given the overarching goal of sustainability and reducing carbon footprint?
  3. Assess what percentage of the woodchips going to the Harwood facility can be sourced locally and how can we help facilitate more local sources being available going into the future?

BASIC WORK PLAN

Action items from project grant proposal:

1) UVM and/or BERC (Biomass Energy Resource Center) will lead the process of collecting both qualitative and quantitative data on the current use, production and management of forest-based biomass in the MRV. This baseline data will cover:

§       Forest condition

§       Existing and recent biomass production and consumption

§       Community energy priorities

§       Community knowledge about biomass options

This data will be collected and assessed using a variety of methods including a survey administered to landowners and stakeholders, and a variety of quantitative data collection instruments.

2) Northern Forest Alliance (NFA) will work with individuals and community groups within the Mad River Valley (such as the VFN’s Energy Group, Mad River Sustainability Group, conservation commissions, and the Mad River Valley Planning District) to a) identify practices that will improve the community’s production, use, or management of biomass and b) define local indicators or values for sustainability. It will also c) document community decision-making processes surrounding biomass and efforts toward energy independence as well as d) work with the community on setting and refining goals for the project as it progresses through its three-year timespan.

Project Status

§       UVM, BERC, VFF, and NFA are currently developing the data collection methodologies that will be used for the project(s), given the refined goals set for the community-based biomass project for the Valley.

 

§       NFA will begin working with the community to develop and define practices and indicators to frame the research so that the data that is collected and assessments arrived at are useful – and reflect the community’s values. UVM and NFA will work with the community to then monitor these practices and indicators throughout the project’s duration.

Turn Out for Carbon Shredder’s II

Hey All:

 

How can you get free food, have fun, save money, and protect the Planet all at the same time?  Come to the next Carbon Shredders meet-up on November 10 at 6:00 PM at the Big Picture to find out!  See video below to become inspired.  (Good job, Gregor)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz-7fN1qy3o

 

Energy Committee Meeting Minutes (October 2008)

October VFN Energy Committee Meeting

 

Present:  Tara Hamilton, Lawrence Mott, John Norton, Dennis Derry Berry, Bill Maclay

 

Agenda:

 

1.       Mission:  Not discussed.  To be on next agenda.

2.       Biomass Project Update:  Tara Hamilton provided update.  This grant will fund research on the forestry resource in the valley as well as pellets, chips, or other possible uses.  The energy group offered support of these efforts which could benefit the valley.  It will be a great asset to have a more concrete understanding of our resources and options for the future.

3.       Community Energy Projects:  Lawrence Mott provided information on New Generation Partners, which is a non-profit independent power producer whose purpose is to find power projects, form LLC’s, and develop projects in the 500 kW to 10 MW range.  Specifically, they are looking for investors in projects.  Possible wind projects in the valley were discussed and how to develop community oriented projects.   It is exciting to look at how we can further energy independence in the valley through community projects.

4.       Blog thanks:  Thanks to Bob Ferris for active blogging.

5.       Chair:  Dennis agreed to be the chair of the energy committee.

6.       Transition towns:  To be discussed at next meeting or by e-mail.

7.       Next meeting:  As agreed at the last meeting, there will be meetings every other month.  The next meeting will be December 11th at 6pm at Yestermorrow School.